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by Željko Heimer, 19 January 2003
I checked on recent photos of airplanes : slovakian roundels always
have the white border. (Unlike "Military
Aircraft Insignia of the World", p. 106)
Armand Noel du Payrat, 20 January 2003
Current roundel of the Slovacke Vojenske Letectvo is used with
white border unless the plane itself is white or silver.
Dov Gutterman, 24 June 2004
This image shows the roundel used by Slovak Air Arms during between
Polish campaign 1939 and operation Barbarossa 1941. It is an improved model
of roundel: white facing red double cross on blue disc with wide white
border.
The first model without white border was used only several months after
March 1939 and was replaced before beginning of WWII. Wide white border
was added due to improve visual identification of aircraft. Picture based
on "Military Aircraft Insignia of the World"
shows this roundel incorrect. Colors of that image are contrariwise.
Andrej Žiarovský, 17 April 2003
First source of my information is my grandfather, in time of WWII; he
was ground engineer of Slovak Air Arms and Combined Squadron of 1st Czechoslovak Army in Slovakia.
Another sources: Publication of Jiri Rajlich, Slovenske vojenske letectvo
1939-1945 (Slovak Air Force 1939-1945), issued by Magnetpress Publ. (1996
?) - I must check in my library) or for example Czech journal HPM.
In this journal you can find several articles about Slovak Air Arms (official
title of Slovak Air Force in time WWII) published in various numbers for
last two years.
Andrej Žiarovský,, 22 April 2003
1939-1941 roundel - Slovenske Vzdusne Zbrane (SVZ) was formed
on 14 March 1939. It was used as fin flash and wing marking (on wings
next to the German cross). A german cross was the fusalage marking (see
here and here).
It seem that beside the three versions in FOTW, it had one without
the white border - (see this
page).
Dov Gutterman, 24 June 2004
Symbols in use
image
by Nozomi Kariyasu, 29 August 2024
I'm drawing images for a new book by the German-Czech vexillologist
Roman
Klimes. He found in the State Archive of the Chechian Army 23 aircraft
markings specified by laws, service prescriptions and original photographs.
The images you sent yesterday are incorrect regarding colors and proportions.
I'm sending corrections accordingly. Here the red double cross and the
white fimbriation around the cross in different proportions. The roundel
was introduced c. 1939 and replaced in 1940 by a white fimbriated blue
cross with a red point.
Jens Pattke, 18 April 2003
Thist is similar to first type of roundel used for the first weeks after
Slovak Air Arms were found - with narrow (or without) white fimbriation.
My picture is not scaled absolutely exactly, but based on photos of aircraft
known me, I am afraid that double cross on Jens's image is too wide. I
will check and advise.
Andrej Žiarovský, 22 April 2003
"Military Aircraft Insignia of the World"
also shows several historical "roundels":
1938-1941: on a white disk a red disk with white fimbriated blue double
cross. After the occupation of Czechoslovakia by German forces in 1938,
the country was split into the Protectorarte of Bohemia-Moravia and the
Republic of Slovakia. Slovakian aircrafts were marked with standard German
crosses on the fuselage and wings; in addition the Slovak double cross
of blue on a red disc was marked on the wings, adjacent to the German markings,
and on the fin. Slovak aircraft took part in the invasion of Poland in
1939, and during this campaign a white ring was added to the national insignia.
Željko Heimer, 19 January 2003
"Military Aircraft Insignia of the World"
also showes several historical "roundels":
1941-1945: white fibriated blue cross defaced with a red disk
In 1941 the Slovak Air Force participated in the German invasion of Russia.
Aircraft followed Axis practice by using a cross-type insignia. In this
case a German type was used, but in blue with a central red spot. This
was marked on wings, fuselage and fin.
Željko Heimer, 19 January 2003
1941-1944 roundel - the SVZ was dissolved on 31 August 1944, so this
roundel was not in use in 1945. It was used on tail and wings, but some
times only on fuselage without tail marking or with German tail marking.
Dov Gutterman, 24 June 2004
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image
by Nozomi Kariyasu, 29 August 2024
This image shows real appearance of marking of Combined Squadron, which
was part of 1st Czechoslovak Army in Slovakia - thw Slovakian Army took
part in the Slovak uprising in 1944. Original Czechoslovak roundel was
bordered blue and Slovak white double cross was standing on "triple mounts".
Andrej Žiarovský, 17 April 2003
Czechoslovak insignia with Slovak cross seem very dubious to me. The
'Slovak National Insurgency' (1944) began with declaration of restoration
of the Czechoslovak Republic, and to my best knowledge only Czechoslovak
flags were used. On the other hand, the Slovak national tricolor (= national
flag of the pro-Germany 'Slovak Republic' in 1939-1945) has not been banned,
was used at least up to 1950's, and its usage slowly declined. (Its revivals
happened in 1968-1969 and then in 1989.) The same applies to the double-cross
(including in the Czechoslovak Coat of Arms up to 1960), so I cannot exclude the
possibility that it was used by insurgents, but I don't believe it.
Jan Zrzavy, 18 July 2001
1944 insurgents roundel - Used from 29 August 1944 - 25 October 1944
during Slovenske Narodne Povstanie (Slovak National Uprising - SNP).
Dov Gutterman, 24 June 2004
Symbols in use
image by Nozomi Kariyasu, 29 August 2024
I'm drawing images for a new book by the German-Czech vexillologist
Roman
Klimes. He found in the State Archive of the Chechian Army 23 aircraft
markings specified by laws, service prescriptions and original photographs.
The images you sent yesterday are incorrect regarding colors and proportions.
I'm sending corrections accordingly.
This is the oundel of the combined airforce in the Slovakian National
Revolt in 1944
The combined airforce consisted of Czechian, Slovakian and Ruthenian
soldiers, as well as several Soviet military advisors. The roundel has
a light-blue fimbriation. It symbolizes the air, and also the Ruthenian
population. Color like the Ukrainian flag. The black three-mountain is
a little broader, the mountains not as high. White patriarchal cross and
three-mountain symbolize Slovakia. The hanging Czechian flag refers to
Czechia and symbolises the Panslavic colors too .
Jens Pattke, 18 April 2003
Light blue fimbriation is mistake! Fimbriation was the same tone of
blue like blue color in Czechoslovak (no Czech) tricolor (pre-war and after
war official marking of Czechoslovak Air Force). What about three mountains
and white patriarchal double cross: Based on memories of my grandfather
I know that it was painted by hand very often and therefore it had no absolutely
identical style and shape.
Andrej Žiarovský, 22 April 2003
"Military Aircraft Insignia of the World"
also shows several historical "roundels":
1944 insurgents: Czeckoslovak tricolour segmented roundel with white
"Lorraine" cross in top blue sector and black "triple mounts" line over
the white and red segments. With the approach of the Russian armies in
1944 Slovak insurgents set up an air arm with captured German aircraft.
These were marked with the pre-1937 Czech insignia and on a Slovak double
cross on the blue portion. The white sector of the roundel was always to
the left.
Željko Heimer, 19 January 2003
images by Nozomi Kariyasu, 29 August 2024
Symbols in use
image by Nozomi Kariyasu, 29 August 2024
images by Nozomi Kariyasu, 29 August 2024
Symbols in use
image by Nozomi Kariyasu, 29 August 2024
images by Nozomi Kariyasu, 29 August 2024
Symbols in use